Bet on Countries, Not Stocks – Part II

Bet on Countries, Not Stocks – Part II

 By Elliott R. Morss, Ph.D.

 In recent articles, Bet on Countries, Not Stocks and Gary Shilling’s 2010 Recommendations: Is He Right? (Gary should stick to real estate), I have argued for investments in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and South Africa. There have been two primary reasons for this position:

  • the heavy overload of debt in the US, Europe, and Japan, and more importantly,
  • the projected rapid economic growth rates of these emerging market countries.

 Here, I will not repeat my detailed arguments but instead want to bring your attention to a remarkable interview last night (February 8th) with Eike Batista on the Charlie Rose show. The interview will be available in the next 12 hours on the Rose web site. It is one hour long. I urge you to listen to it in its entirety.

 Batista’s father ran Cia. Vale do Rio Doce which is the the world’s largest iron ore exporter. His father would not let any of his children get involved in Vale  – “no nepotism”. Batista, with his own investments in iron ore, Brazilian infrastructure, and oil, is on a growth path to be the world’s richest man in less than a decade.

 But what makes his interview exceptional is his view of global growth. He points out that Brazil now has everything: a great natural resource base (offshore oil discoveries are real – he believes Brazil will shortly have proven oil reserves that will make it the 5th largest in the world, a strong manufacturing sector, and leadership that understands how to work with business. Brazil was affected in a very minor way by the Western banking collapse and the ensuing global recession. Why? In part because only 14% of its GDP is exported, and in part because of its growing middle class.

 A lot of Batista’s business is with the Chinese. He is building ports and other facilities to ship iron ore, soy, and soon oil to China. He his great admiration for what is happening in China: “A billion-person middle class – they quickly become the low cost/high quality producer of everything: they are unstoppable.” But China is natural resource poor and they need to buy them from Brazil and other natural resource rich countries.

 He sees Brazil, Chile, and Colombia as the solid economic countries in Latin America; he is not happy about the “populism in Argentina (too bad, such a rich country), Ecuador, and Venezuela. He is sympathetic to the revolution in Bolivia (“it had too happen – Bolivia has been exploited for 400 to 500 years”). He said Peru has to develop a greater concern for its poorer people before it will be stable politically. And he is decidedly not enthusiastic about Mexico.

 I agree with Batista on Latin American countries as a result of the studies I did with my students last November at the Business School at the University of Palermo in Buenos Aires on how they were dealing with the global recession. On Mexico, see  my posting here.

 Batista was not enthusiastic on economic prospects for the US, Europe and Japan. He believes the tremendous debt overhang will plague these countries for more than a decade. He noted that Brazil had its own problems with overspending, inflation and debt back in the 1960 – 1990s period (at one point, debt service payments exceeded 80% of exports). It took Brazil more than 10 years to break the cycle and he expects it will be the same for Western nations.

 He noted that it takes a long time for investors (and the rating services) to regain confidence once it is lost. 

 I repeat: if you want to understand the future of the global economy, listen to Batista’s interview in its entirety.

 I will post specific investment suggestions for countries in Latin America, Southeast Asia, and South Africa in the next two weeks.

 


2 Comments

  1. Richard Rust 9 Feb, 2010

    Elliott:

    Ironically, there is a good likelihood that Brazil will save Argentina from falling behind in the next decade, even in the face of Peronist-led government’s foolish hyper-populist policies.

    The irony has two elements:

    First, the Kirchners got in bed with Chavez early on and he “satisfied their needs” when he had the largess to spread around Latin America and now that dalliance is over without having brought any lasting economic of political benefits to either of the parties.

    Second, the rivalry between Argentina and Brazil goes back hundreds of years and it will be a bitter pill for the Argentines to swallow should their economic well-being depend on their age-old rivals.

    Also, the Chinese appetite for commodities including minerals that Argentina has in great supply will likely help the stumbling Argentine economy remain upright.

    The ultimate shame is that with conditions ripe for getting the Argentine economy on a stable growth pattern, the dysfunctional politics and business practices in the country will keep it a backwater forever, probably.

    A further shame is that US politics is taking on some of the coloration of Argentina’s inability to tackle core issues.

  2. trent kohlen 10 Feb, 2010

    We want your opinion. Your thoughts will contribute to build up a valuable conversation.
    Hello
    It was a nice change to watch a interview on Charlie Rose that wasnt based on US issues relating to their current problems and all the opinions on how to remedy the crisis. I have been trying to get a feel for Brazil on that level and this interview did not dissappoint. Mr. Batista’s international experience only brings more credibility.It seemed to me that Mr. Rose was getting impatient at times and would not let his guest expand on issues that were presented to him.I would like to see more interviews of this gentleman and his thoughts on International Economics and what role Latin America plays.Mr. Batista’s comment suggesting that Americans should be driving electric cars gave a hint that perhaps the Brazilians have more appreciation for the enviroment and the natural resources they control than one would think.That coming from a Billionaire who drills for oil and made a fortune mining gold and silver.

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